Comments on: Weight Gain http://www.groovybabe.co.uk/2007/08/14/weight-gain/ Taking one day at a time... Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:45:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Groovybabe http://www.groovybabe.co.uk/2007/08/14/weight-gain/#comment-388 Groovybabe Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:57:07 +0000 http://www.groovybabe.co.uk/2007/08/14/weight-gain/#comment-388 The reason I got defensive, I guess, is that I was offered advice when I hadn't asked for it. I was just verbalising some angst I was feeling, I knew <i>why</i> I'd fluctuated but people started making out that I was practically a drug and alcohol addict! I hear what you say about the blog culture though. I tend to feel that if people are doing better than you they want to shoot you down with their own weightloss issues (not necessarily the people who commented here but generally) it's a very dog-eat-dog existence. I have contemplated disabling comments all together on here due to what happened in this thread but I like the support I get from 98% and really don't think a few misinterpreting what I was saying in my post as reason enough to forgo that. All betz did was say she did not agree with one statement, she did not say anything about the person who wrote the statement initially and it just esculated. While I do think all comments were made with good intentions I'm not interested in personal moral judgements that people insist on making against me for drinking on the weekend/going clubbing, or taking tablets. I set this up to initially help myself but now I am successful at this, and do consider myself so, I think it offers as much to others as it does me. It's not about me needing advice because the times when it is I will explicitly point this out. Just what I think. The reason I got defensive, I guess, is that I was offered advice when I hadn’t asked for it. I was just verbalising some angst I was feeling, I knew why I’d fluctuated but people started making out that I was practically a drug and alcohol addict! I hear what you say about the blog culture though. I tend to feel that if people are doing better than you they want to shoot you down with their own weightloss issues (not necessarily the people who commented here but generally) it’s a very dog-eat-dog existence. I have contemplated disabling comments all together on here due to what happened in this thread but I like the support I get from 98% and really don’t think a few misinterpreting what I was saying in my post as reason enough to forgo that.

All betz did was say she did not agree with one statement, she did not say anything about the person who wrote the statement initially and it just esculated.

While I do think all comments were made with good intentions I’m not interested in personal moral judgements that people insist on making against me for drinking on the weekend/going clubbing, or taking tablets.

I set this up to initially help myself but now I am successful at this, and do consider myself so, I think it offers as much to others as it does me. It’s not about me needing advice because the times when it is I will explicitly point this out.

Just what I think.

]]> By: Rosabel http://www.groovybabe.co.uk/2007/08/14/weight-gain/#comment-383 Rosabel Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:58:54 +0000 http://www.groovybabe.co.uk/2007/08/14/weight-gain/#comment-383 Betz, sorry if I came too hard on you, and thanks for replying to me. I am used to a very different blog culture, so I hope that's ok as an excuse: I roam in places where people defend anyone who seem to have gotten the short end of the stick, no matter if they are my friends or not. I still do stick by with the thought that only in female-filled blogs is there a really die-hard "you're on my side or you're my enemy"-type of a vibe, and because I have consciously not picked any sides, I have often come under suspicions of not being trustworthy. Which is kind of weird. Compared to all of the really positive, cheery posts in this blog, there were only one or two comments giving possible reasons for the weight gain. Thus I was surprised how people were jumping on these people for just suggesting that there might be more to the weight gain than met the eye. I felt like this is a place where we are only allowed to go "yay, go for it" without even trying to offer any advice. If I see advice in my blog that I think is not worth my time, I'll say thank you but I think I got that area under control. Works quicker than name calling or arguing. I have a terrible justice league-gland and when people start to call each other names or denigrade them, I have to jump in. It's obnoxious, I know :) But I think I now understand this place a bit better. Like you said, you have talked about these issues with C privately--we who are linked to her blog have not talked privately with her, so everything we see here is new to us, and so we might assume that C's issues are as new to her as to us readers, such as the weight fluctuation part. So I'm sorry if I have offered advice that is old hat--I had no frame of reference as to what has been told C a million times already. :/ But that said... I understand why people get upset. Losing weight is a really fragile time. Good that C has a friend like you, Betz, who is there for her to boost her morale. Still speaking of water: in Germany, everyone drank bottled, carbonated water. Ugh, I can't stand it. I'm used to drinking only tap water (luckily it is very clean here). In Germany, if I went to a restaurant and wanted to drink tap water, even that cost! It got ridiculous because the cheapest thing to drink outside your home was beer... So that's what I learned to drink there! And man, 5 bucks for a bottle of water??? Uuuh, outrageous. Betz, sorry if I came too hard on you, and thanks for replying to me. I am used to a very different blog culture, so I hope that’s ok as an excuse: I roam in places where people defend anyone who seem to have gotten the short end of the stick, no matter if they are my friends or not. I still do stick by with the thought that only in female-filled blogs is there a really die-hard “you’re on my side or you’re my enemy”-type of a vibe, and because I have consciously not picked any sides, I have often come under suspicions of not being trustworthy. Which is kind of weird. Compared to all of the really positive, cheery posts in this blog, there were only one or two comments giving possible reasons for the weight gain. Thus I was surprised how people were jumping on these people for just suggesting that there might be more to the weight gain than met the eye. I felt like this is a place where we are only allowed to go “yay, go for it” without even trying to offer any advice. If I see advice in my blog that I think is not worth my time, I’ll say thank you but I think I got that area under control. Works quicker than name calling or arguing. I have a terrible justice league-gland and when people start to call each other names or denigrade them, I have to jump in. It’s obnoxious, I know :) But I think I now understand this place a bit better. Like you said, you have talked about these issues with C privately–we who are linked to her blog have not talked privately with her, so everything we see here is new to us, and so we might assume that C’s issues are as new to her as to us readers, such as the weight fluctuation part. So I’m sorry if I have offered advice that is old hat–I had no frame of reference as to what has been told C a million times already. :/

But that said… I understand why people get upset. Losing weight is a really fragile time. Good that C has a friend like you, Betz, who is there for her to boost her morale.

Still speaking of water: in Germany, everyone drank bottled, carbonated water. Ugh, I can’t stand it. I’m used to drinking only tap water (luckily it is very clean here). In Germany, if I went to a restaurant and wanted to drink tap water, even that cost! It got ridiculous because the cheapest thing to drink outside your home was beer… So that’s what I learned to drink there! And man, 5 bucks for a bottle of water??? Uuuh, outrageous.

]]> By: Groovybabe http://www.groovybabe.co.uk/2007/08/14/weight-gain/#comment-362 Groovybabe Fri, 17 Aug 2007 07:52:17 +0000 http://www.groovybabe.co.uk/2007/08/14/weight-gain/#comment-362 <b>Rosabel</b> - Yeah you can get free water at the bar here if you have it from the tap, bottled water is very expensive though, so I always have tap. A couple of times I have drunk as much water as I have alcohol (more in fact as I'd have a pint of water to every vodka and diet coke) but it sobers me up and I end up having a really rubbish time. So what I do now is drink heaps before I go out and then heaps when I come in again - when I remember, lol. <b>Betz</b> - Yep, I am definitely with you for the next 29lbs, 45lbs, 100lbs - whatever it takes! I will be honest and say I have needed re-motivating this week, partly due to the scales but more due to the critical comments, but you have done a fantastic job in keeping me bouyant. We are so going to do this! Congrats on your job!!! I don't know how you do it!!!! Thank you so much Betz for defending me, you are a star. What you wrote in defense of your actions (your latest comment) really shows just how well you know me :D Rosabel - Yeah you can get free water at the bar here if you have it from the tap, bottled water is very expensive though, so I always have tap. A couple of times I have drunk as much water as I have alcohol (more in fact as I’d have a pint of water to every vodka and diet coke) but it sobers me up and I end up having a really rubbish time. So what I do now is drink heaps before I go out and then heaps when I come in again - when I remember, lol.

Betz - Yep, I am definitely with you for the next 29lbs, 45lbs, 100lbs - whatever it takes! I will be honest and say I have needed re-motivating this week, partly due to the scales but more due to the critical comments, but you have done a fantastic job in keeping me bouyant. We are so going to do this!

Congrats on your job!!! I don’t know how you do it!!!!

Thank you so much Betz for defending me, you are a star. What you wrote in defense of your actions (your latest comment) really shows just how well you know me :D

]]> By: BetZ http://www.groovybabe.co.uk/2007/08/14/weight-gain/#comment-360 BetZ Fri, 17 Aug 2007 05:08:59 +0000 http://www.groovybabe.co.uk/2007/08/14/weight-gain/#comment-360 I really don't want to write to anyone on here BUT my friend who owns this blog but since a few things have been addressed to me... Rosabel, I am defending my friend. I didn't tell off Angie, I told my friend to ignore her. I didn't mention Angie, but she responded as if I did because I quoted one particularly condescending line from her reply. People constantly get preachy on these sites because they think their way is the best way. Their way is the only way to go. People eat cheeseburgers and french fries and pizza and then wonder why they gained weight. My friend Groovybabe was doing everything right and honestly has the right to freak out a little bit when the scale doesn't comply with her desires. People jump out of the woodwork to basically ridicule her for having her little freak out. I have known Groovybabe for years and years and know that what she requires of me is honesty mixed with unconditional support. I jump on her side and curse the scale with her. She likes it. :) She does the same for me. Then we talk sense into each other. People coming from not even reading anything but one post just appear with bucket loads of advice. Stuff we've all heard before. I see people dissing my friend and I will 100% of the time get angry. I'd probably get less angry if they did it to me, but I defend my friends. You don't know what she was feeling about all of it as she talked to me about it and she's got a bit more tact than I do, so she's only going to try to be pleasant about it! (I'm aggressive and blunt and sometimes a little obnoxious. I'm well aware!) This was a blog war before I got to it. In response to the bit you said to Groovybabe herself, can you believe clubs here in New Zealand try to make you pay for water after a certain time? That's so dumb! One place tried to charge me 5 bucks for a tiny bottle of water! I remember when I lived in NY, they used to give me water for free... juice and soda too - and some places offered snacks for the designated driver! They're so stingy here. I really don’t want to write to anyone on here BUT my friend who owns this blog but since a few things have been addressed to me…

Rosabel, I am defending my friend. I didn’t tell off Angie, I told my friend to ignore her. I didn’t mention Angie, but she responded as if I did because I quoted one particularly condescending line from her reply. People constantly get preachy on these sites because they think their way is the best way. Their way is the only way to go. People eat cheeseburgers and french fries and pizza and then wonder why they gained weight. My friend Groovybabe was doing everything right and honestly has the right to freak out a little bit when the scale doesn’t comply with her desires. People jump out of the woodwork to basically ridicule her for having her little freak out. I have known Groovybabe for years and years and know that what she requires of me is honesty mixed with unconditional support. I jump on her side and curse the scale with her. She likes it. :) She does the same for me. Then we talk sense into each other. People coming from not even reading anything but one post just appear with bucket loads of advice. Stuff we’ve all heard before. I see people dissing my friend and I will 100% of the time get angry. I’d probably get less angry if they did it to me, but I defend my friends. You don’t know what she was feeling about all of it as she talked to me about it and she’s got a bit more tact than I do, so she’s only going to try to be pleasant about it! (I’m aggressive and blunt and sometimes a little obnoxious. I’m well aware!)

This was a blog war before I got to it.

In response to the bit you said to Groovybabe herself, can you believe clubs here in New Zealand try to make you pay for water after a certain time? That’s so dumb! One place tried to charge me 5 bucks for a tiny bottle of water! I remember when I lived in NY, they used to give me water for free… juice and soda too - and some places offered snacks for the designated driver! They’re so stingy here.

]]> By: Rosabel http://www.groovybabe.co.uk/2007/08/14/weight-gain/#comment-359 Rosabel Fri, 17 Aug 2007 04:20:09 +0000 http://www.groovybabe.co.uk/2007/08/14/weight-gain/#comment-359 Betz, looking at your comment... Only women can be this snarky to each other *shakes head*. You're telling Angie she is judgemental, while calling her names (has a "preaching bug") and basically telling her off for being a loser who can't smartly manage weight? I think everyone here needs to look in the mirror (myself included, because I, too, read posts from my own view point and that affects how I reply to them). No wonder these things escalate into full blown blog wars... In the meanwhile, Groovybabe, you are doing good! You are handling the alternating advice very well, without reading too much into them. I would never want you to stop clubbing, by the way. I'm saying go for it, but I do chime in with the water thing. I often drink only water when I go out, but that's because my body reacts so very strongly to alcohol--I might not be able to walk well the next day due to the swollen legs. So I'm not an advocate of "only water" to others :) Also, I don't know about the UK, but here you always get free water with your beverages if you just ask the bar staff for it, so that has definitely helped me to keep on drinking water while drinking alcohol. Betz, looking at your comment… Only women can be this snarky to each other *shakes head*. You’re telling Angie she is judgemental, while calling her names (has a “preaching bug”) and basically telling her off for being a loser who can’t smartly manage weight? I think everyone here needs to look in the mirror (myself included, because I, too, read posts from my own view point and that affects how I reply to them). No wonder these things escalate into full blown blog wars…

In the meanwhile, Groovybabe, you are doing good! You are handling the alternating advice very well, without reading too much into them. I would never want you to stop clubbing, by the way. I’m saying go for it, but I do chime in with the water thing. I often drink only water when I go out, but that’s because my body reacts so very strongly to alcohol–I might not be able to walk well the next day due to the swollen legs. So I’m not an advocate of “only water” to others :) Also, I don’t know about the UK, but here you always get free water with your beverages if you just ask the bar staff for it, so that has definitely helped me to keep on drinking water while drinking alcohol.

]]> By: BetZ http://www.groovybabe.co.uk/2007/08/14/weight-gain/#comment-357 BetZ Thu, 16 Aug 2007 23:33:49 +0000 http://www.groovybabe.co.uk/2007/08/14/weight-gain/#comment-357 I'd say for someone like Angie, who has the preaching bug and a lot of information (though some of it doesn't quite adhere to fact). She's on some expensive 16-week plan...not a lifetime plan. Just 16 weeks. And she's not losing weight. So go with what works for you C, and brush off the judgements and criticism that others are so keen to dish out (obviously in lieu of dealing with their own short-comings). Meanwhile - You're fabo and lovely and have done so well. I expect you're still committed to the next 29 pounds with me eh? And also, I got a job. wahoo! I’d say for someone like Angie, who has the preaching bug and a lot of information (though some of it doesn’t quite adhere to fact). She’s on some expensive 16-week plan…not a lifetime plan. Just 16 weeks. And she’s not losing weight. So go with what works for you C, and brush off the judgements and criticism that others are so keen to dish out (obviously in lieu of dealing with their own short-comings).
Meanwhile - You’re fabo and lovely and have done so well. I expect you’re still committed to the next 29 pounds with me eh?

And also, I got a job. wahoo!

]]> By: Groovybabe http://www.groovybabe.co.uk/2007/08/14/weight-gain/#comment-352 Groovybabe Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:01:57 +0000 http://www.groovybabe.co.uk/2007/08/14/weight-gain/#comment-352 <p>Angie - thanks for that well considered response.</p> <p>Firstly though, I am not sure where you get 100 calories per shot of vodka from? I thought it was 55 calories and I just looked it up and it says 55 online.</p> <p>http://www.weightlossresources.co.uk/calories/calorie_counter/alcohol.htm</p> <p>I don't like red wine, no. I don't mind white but I prefer vodka.</p> <p>I didn't forget to drink water because I was plastered (I remember any other time when I am drunk) I forgot because it was 5am when I got in and I'd been up since 8am the day before!</p> <p>I have to say you've made quite a few assumptions in your comment. I do not binge on fatty foods or anything like during a hangover. They are not even hangovers so much as excessive tiredness anyway, probably from dancing so much. The next day I eat as I normally do, I would not risk putting on weight. Mostly though I don't eat as much as I would on a non-hangover day.</p> <p>I don't get drunk all the time anyway. Sometimes I don't go out for 6 weeks at a time, other times it's once per week. It varies. But I only ever drink at those times and am happy doing so and quite confident that it is in no way sabotaging my weightloss. I have lost 27lbs in the last ten weeks, after all.</p> Angie - thanks for that well considered response.

Firstly though, I am not sure where you get 100 calories per shot of vodka from? I thought it was 55 calories and I just looked it up and it says 55 online.

http://www.weightlossresources.co.uk/calories/calorie_counter/alcohol.htm

I don’t like red wine, no. I don’t mind white but I prefer vodka.

I didn’t forget to drink water because I was plastered (I remember any other time when I am drunk) I forgot because it was 5am when I got in and I’d been up since 8am the day before!

I have to say you’ve made quite a few assumptions in your comment. I do not binge on fatty foods or anything like during a hangover. They are not even hangovers so much as excessive tiredness anyway, probably from dancing so much. The next day I eat as I normally do, I would not risk putting on weight. Mostly though I don’t eat as much as I would on a non-hangover day.

I don’t get drunk all the time anyway. Sometimes I don’t go out for 6 weeks at a time, other times it’s once per week. It varies. But I only ever drink at those times and am happy doing so and quite confident that it is in no way sabotaging my weightloss. I have lost 27lbs in the last ten weeks, after all.

]]> By: Angie http://www.groovybabe.co.uk/2007/08/14/weight-gain/#comment-350 Angie Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:18:32 +0000 http://www.groovybabe.co.uk/2007/08/14/weight-gain/#comment-350 OK, this is my final post on this blog, so I'll make it count. First, thanks Rosabel, another voice of reason. Second, Betz, did you hear me say any of that? Third, and most importantly, clubbing and alcohol. Yeah, clubbing: good. Dancing like a mad woman: good Seeing friends and having fun: good Getting compliments and having a life: good Having an odd drink to loosen up or just 'cos you want to: fantastic Getting plastered: maybe not so fantastic? There are over 100 calories per shot in vodka. 6 vodka and diet cokes? Six? That is over 600 calories. Did you discuss with your doctor about what your intake should be? Bet that's a great big chunk of it. And don't cut back on food! Hell girl, if you're gonna drink, you need your food even more. Alcohol is empty calories. Food is nutrients. Your body needs nutrient. It needs the vitamins and minerals in healthy foods to work with the enzymes that break down all those calories into energy. Without the nutrients your energy metabolism won't work properly, you won't get the maximal energy from the food you do eat, and you'll need to eat even more to make up for the hunger and tiredness. If you're going to drink, (and I'm not saying you can't) consider them extra calories, not instead of food. Plus, what else happens when you get drunk? And we're not talking tipsy here, we're talking drunk. If you're drinking enough to give you a hangover (and why anybody over the age of 22 would want to is beyond me, but each to his own), that's too much. Does it make you peckish? Give you the munchies? Make you more likely to line your stomach with fatty, greasy foods to counter the effects? Chips, nibbles? What did you have for breakfast the next day? If you could stomach breakfast, I bet it wasn't too healthy. Go out dancing by all means, drink if you want to, but alternate the booze with water. It'll help keep you hydrated (so drunk you forgot to drink water when you got home - hangover), and try and cut down from 6. It is possible to go out and have a good time without drinking your way through the night. How about switching to red wine if you like it? It's got good stuff in it - heart-healthy antioxidants. And overweight people with furred up arteries could certainly benefit from those. Oh, and just for the record, alcohol affects insulin sensitivity. It makes you less likely to burn fat for fuel and more likely to store calories taken in as fat! Yummmm. I would never tell anybody they couldn't or shouldn't drink alcohol, or anything else for that matter. I'm just saying, if you are serious about losing the weight, you might want to think twice. Which is more important to you? OK, I'm going to leave you all to your love-in. Apologies for the rant, groovybabe, and I do honestly wish you all the best with your continued weight loss. I know it's not easy. Angie OK, this is my final post on this blog, so I’ll make it count. First, thanks Rosabel, another voice of reason.

Second, Betz, did you hear me say any of that?

Third, and most importantly, clubbing and alcohol.

Yeah, clubbing: good.
Dancing like a mad woman: good
Seeing friends and having fun: good
Getting compliments and having a life: good
Having an odd drink to loosen up or just ‘cos you want to: fantastic

Getting plastered: maybe not so fantastic?

There are over 100 calories per shot in vodka. 6 vodka and diet cokes? Six? That is over 600 calories. Did you discuss with your doctor about what your intake should be? Bet that’s a great big chunk of it.

And don’t cut back on food! Hell girl, if you’re gonna drink, you need your food even more. Alcohol is empty calories. Food is nutrients. Your body needs nutrient. It needs the vitamins and minerals in healthy foods to work with the enzymes that break down all those calories into energy. Without the nutrients your energy metabolism won’t work properly, you won’t get the maximal energy from the food you do eat, and you’ll need to eat even more to make up for the hunger and tiredness.

If you’re going to drink, (and I’m not saying you can’t) consider them extra calories, not instead of food.

Plus, what else happens when you get drunk? And we’re not talking tipsy here, we’re talking drunk. If you’re drinking enough to give you a hangover (and why anybody over the age of 22 would want to is beyond me, but each to his own), that’s too much.

Does it make you peckish? Give you the munchies? Make you more likely to line your stomach with fatty, greasy foods to counter the effects? Chips, nibbles? What did you have for breakfast the next day? If you could stomach breakfast, I bet it wasn’t too healthy.

Go out dancing by all means, drink if you want to, but alternate the booze with water. It’ll help keep you hydrated (so drunk you forgot to drink water when you got home - hangover), and try and cut down from 6. It is possible to go out and have a good time without drinking your way through the night. How about switching to red wine if you like it? It’s got good stuff in it - heart-healthy antioxidants. And overweight people with furred up arteries could certainly benefit from those.

Oh, and just for the record, alcohol affects insulin sensitivity. It makes you less likely to burn fat for fuel and more likely to store calories taken in as fat! Yummmm.

I would never tell anybody they couldn’t or shouldn’t drink alcohol, or anything else for that matter. I’m just saying, if you are serious about losing the weight, you might want to think twice. Which is more important to you?

OK, I’m going to leave you all to your love-in. Apologies for the rant, groovybabe, and I do honestly wish you all the best with your continued weight loss. I know it’s not easy.

Angie

]]> By: Rosabel http://www.groovybabe.co.uk/2007/08/14/weight-gain/#comment-349 Rosabel Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:34:37 +0000 http://www.groovybabe.co.uk/2007/08/14/weight-gain/#comment-349 I don't understand the attacks on Angie's comments... She was offering her view point as a person who does these things as a profession, and was then even apologetic about it, hoping she won't come off too hard on Groovybabe. She also was giving reasons for Groovybabe's possible weight gain. Everyone seems to have been reading a bit too much in between the lines here and projecting onto her post: when she says that it "might" (notice, might!) not be a good idea to go clubbing, people here interpret it as "OMG YOU SHOULD NEVER EVER GO OUT DANCING BUT STAY AT HOME ALL EVENINGS". Calm down. I think she made good points, although she could have explained more why she thought clubbing might not be as good a choice as going for a tea during the day with the same friends. I don't think she sounded self-righteous or judgemental at all, but helpful from a different point of view than the majority. I guess that makes her opinions crap. I don’t understand the attacks on Angie’s comments… She was offering her view point as a person who does these things as a profession, and was then even apologetic about it, hoping she won’t come off too hard on Groovybabe. She also was giving reasons for Groovybabe’s possible weight gain.
Everyone seems to have been reading a bit too much in between the lines here and projecting onto her post: when she says that it “might” (notice, might!) not be a good idea to go clubbing, people here interpret it as “OMG YOU SHOULD NEVER EVER GO OUT DANCING BUT STAY AT HOME ALL EVENINGS”. Calm down. I think she made good points, although she could have explained more why she thought clubbing might not be as good a choice as going for a tea during the day with the same friends. I don’t think she sounded self-righteous or judgemental at all, but helpful from a different point of view than the majority. I guess that makes her opinions crap.

]]> By: betz http://www.groovybabe.co.uk/2007/08/14/weight-gain/#comment-347 betz Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:43:39 +0000 http://www.groovybabe.co.uk/2007/08/14/weight-gain/#comment-347 Oh my god C, imagine a life where you ate only veggies and steamed chicken or fish, jogged every day and never ever sat in front of the TV, or a computer, and never went our clubbing on the weekend.... never again ate cheese or got tipsy on vodka and diet coke. Yeah.... me neither. I'd fly 15,000 miles and slap you. ha ha... :) How boring eh... You're doing fine. -- "It might be more productive to find other ways to reward yourself or to interact with your friends." What a self-righteous, judgemental, load of crap. Oh my god C, imagine a life where you ate only veggies and steamed chicken or fish, jogged every day and never ever sat in front of the TV, or a computer, and never went our clubbing on the weekend…. never again ate cheese or got tipsy on vodka and diet coke.

Yeah…. me neither. I’d fly 15,000 miles and slap you. ha ha… :) How boring eh…

You’re doing fine.

–

“It might be more productive to find other ways to reward yourself or to interact with your friends.”

What a self-righteous, judgemental, load of crap.

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